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		<title>By: Is Edelman right about being authentic? &#171; Heather Yaxley - Greenbanana views of public relations and more</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Edelman right about being authentic? &#171; Heather Yaxley - Greenbanana views of public relations and more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but its clients.&#160; Already Wal-Mart&#8217;s latest online efforts, an employee blog (apparently not even created by Edelman this time) are being criticised for lacking [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but its clients.&nbsp; Already Wal-Mart&#8217;s latest online efforts, an employee blog (apparently not even created by Edelman this time) are being criticised for lacking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Mallen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, excellent post. 

Being a small PR and marcom shop offering strategy-driven integrated communications,I found myself today (before reading your post) asking myself, &quot;Who (in the agency world) owns social media?&quot;

Seems the suppliers are coming from all quarters, including the clients&#039; IT folks.

The other question is whether there might be a crossover point where there is just too much social media for the time people have available. The question came in a discussion with the marketing director of an IT client, and we were speaking of professional/b to b media. 

Being from India and having bounced around the world, I asked how he keeps in touch with far-flung friends. &quot;Oh, Facebook.&quot; 

So how often does he visit? &quot;Maybe once a week. Too busy.&quot;

To the point you raise, the agency business model, I think, is definitely going through major change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, excellent post. </p>
<p>Being a small PR and marcom shop offering strategy-driven integrated communications,I found myself today (before reading your post) asking myself, &#8220;Who (in the agency world) owns social media?&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems the suppliers are coming from all quarters, including the clients&#8217; IT folks.</p>
<p>The other question is whether there might be a crossover point where there is just too much social media for the time people have available. The question came in a discussion with the marketing director of an IT client, and we were speaking of professional/b to b media. </p>
<p>Being from India and having bounced around the world, I asked how he keeps in touch with far-flung friends. &#8220;Oh, Facebook.&#8221; </p>
<p>So how often does he visit? &#8220;Maybe once a week. Too busy.&#8221;</p>
<p>To the point you raise, the agency business model, I think, is definitely going through major change.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mallen</title>
		<link>http://www.communityguy.com/1424/the-agency-model-is-now-officially-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-36111</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, excellent post. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Being a small PR and marcom shop offering strategy-driven integrated communications,I found myself today (before reading your post) asking myself, &quot;Who (in the agency world) owns social media?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seems the suppliers are coming from all quarters, including the clients&#039; IT folks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The other question is whether there might be a crossover point where there is just too much social media for the time people have available. The question came in a discussion with the marketing director of an IT client, and we were speaking of professional/b to b media. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Being from India and having bounced around the world, I asked how he keeps in touch with far-flung friends. &quot;Oh, Facebook.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So how often does he visit? &quot;Maybe once a week. Too busy.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To the point you raise, the agency business model, I think, is definitely going through major change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, excellent post. </p>
<p>Being a small PR and marcom shop offering strategy-driven integrated communications,I found myself today (before reading your post) asking myself, &#8220;Who (in the agency world) owns social media?&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems the suppliers are coming from all quarters, including the clients&#8217; IT folks.</p>
<p>The other question is whether there might be a crossover point where there is just too much social media for the time people have available. The question came in a discussion with the marketing director of an IT client, and we were speaking of professional/b to b media. </p>
<p>Being from India and having bounced around the world, I asked how he keeps in touch with far-flung friends. &#8220;Oh, Facebook.&#8221; </p>
<p>So how often does he visit? &#8220;Maybe once a week. Too busy.&#8221;</p>
<p>To the point you raise, the agency business model, I think, is definitely going through major change.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake McKee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, excellent point, and I&#039;ve updated the entry to call out this question of whether size kills effectiveness (to paraphrase your point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, excellent point, and I&#8217;ve updated the entry to call out this question of whether size kills effectiveness (to paraphrase your point).</p>
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		<title>By: Jake McKee</title>
		<link>http://www.communityguy.com/1424/the-agency-model-is-now-officially-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-33683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, according to the footer on the checkout blog, the site was developed by Rockfish Interactive (http://www.rockfishinteractive.com/). Maybe they have some connection to Edelman, but as I&#039;ve understood so far, they&#039;re not. 

If this is incorrect, please let me know. Hopefully someone from Edelman and/or Rockfish and/or Wal-Mart will stop by...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, according to the footer on the checkout blog, the site was developed by Rockfish Interactive (<a href="http://www.rockfishinteractive.com/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockfishinteractive.com/)</a>. Maybe they have some connection to Edelman, but as I&#8217;ve understood so far, they&#8217;re not. </p>
<p>If this is incorrect, please let me know. Hopefully someone from Edelman and/or Rockfish and/or Wal-Mart will stop by&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jake-

Thanks for the shout-out!  Great post btw.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the shout-out!  Great post btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent concept - lets take it to the next step:

* What about email vendors?  Isn&#039;t email just one (perhaps the primary) channel for communication within a community, or a method of invitation to JOIN the community?  Doesn&#039;t this put traditional email vendors focused on a campaign model at a distinct disadvantage?  Where&#039;s the focus on behavioral-triggered emails or user-generated communication?

* How about traditionally-oriented IT departments?  While I definitely believe there are some excellent and well-adapted IT teams at work today, doesn&#039;t a focus on community completely blow the traditional Waterfall method of application development... well... out of the water?  How can a site adapt to the technical needs and wants of an organic and changing community without a more agile development model?

* And finally, could there be community implications that affect the traditional model of retail?  Seth Godin &lt;a href=&quot;http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/01/music-lessons.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has been on a tear&lt;/a&gt; of late about the record industry&#039;s woes, and now Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails are releasing records independently. Etsy and CafePress gain traction by offering micro-retail models, and auction sites let the community even determine the value of the goods being sold!  

Seems like your concept of traditional models going out of vogue sparked off a lot of ideas with me!  Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent concept &#8211; lets take it to the next step:</p>
<p>* What about email vendors?  Isn&#8217;t email just one (perhaps the primary) channel for communication within a community, or a method of invitation to JOIN the community?  Doesn&#8217;t this put traditional email vendors focused on a campaign model at a distinct disadvantage?  Where&#8217;s the focus on behavioral-triggered emails or user-generated communication?</p>
<p>* How about traditionally-oriented IT departments?  While I definitely believe there are some excellent and well-adapted IT teams at work today, doesn&#8217;t a focus on community completely blow the traditional Waterfall method of application development&#8230; well&#8230; out of the water?  How can a site adapt to the technical needs and wants of an organic and changing community without a more agile development model?</p>
<p>* And finally, could there be community implications that affect the traditional model of retail?  Seth Godin <a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/01/music-lessons.html" rel="nofollow">has been on a tear</a> of late about the record industry&#8217;s woes, and now Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails are releasing records independently. Etsy and CafePress gain traction by offering micro-retail models, and auction sites let the community even determine the value of the goods being sold!  </p>
<p>Seems like your concept of traditional models going out of vogue sparked off a lot of ideas with me!  Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that article yesterday as well and was confused about a detail the writer didn&#039;t cover -- you sure Checkout Blog isn&#039;t an Edelman project? I was under the impression that Edelman still does a whole lot of work for Walmart. Maybe things have evolved a bit on that account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that article yesterday as well and was confused about a detail the writer didn&#8217;t cover &#8212; you sure Checkout Blog isn&#8217;t an Edelman project? I was under the impression that Edelman still does a whole lot of work for Walmart. Maybe things have evolved a bit on that account.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake McKee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, excellent point, and I&#039;ve updated the entry to call out this question of whether size kills effectiveness (to paraphrase your point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, excellent point, and I&#8217;ve updated the entry to call out this question of whether size kills effectiveness (to paraphrase your point).</p>
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		<title>By: Jake McKee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, according to the footer on the checkout blog, the site was developed by Rockfish Interactive (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rockfishinteractive.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.rockfishinteractive.com/&lt;/a&gt;). Maybe they have some connection to Edelman, but as I&#039;ve understood so far, they&#039;re not. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If this is incorrect, please let me know. Hopefully someone from Edelman and/or Rockfish and/or Wal-Mart will stop by...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, according to the footer on the checkout blog, the site was developed by Rockfish Interactive (<a href="http://www.rockfishinteractive.com/">http://www.rockfishinteractive.com/</a>). Maybe they have some connection to Edelman, but as I&#8217;ve understood so far, they&#8217;re not. </p>
<p>If this is incorrect, please let me know. Hopefully someone from Edelman and/or Rockfish and/or Wal-Mart will stop by&#8230;</p>
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