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Are dead communities the sign of a dying industry?

May 20th, 2009 Posted in Building Community, Business Strategy

With each new hype, new projects form often without appropriate staffing and resources, only to die down or off a short time later. Today, for instance, the Web is littered with corporate community projects that have little or no traffic or interest. Concern mounts that this dead community litter is the sign of something scary for the health of the social engagement space.

I’m not worried.

As with any hype cycle, there are two parallel paths taking place:

  • The Hype Path: Combining the “It’s new, therefore it’s amazing!” news cycle with a very vocal and enabled celebrity crowd creates a standard bell curve of hype.
  • The Implementation Reality: On a more random, yet mostly trending upward curve, people are learning growing, doing, and gaining. More people try, some fail, but the trend overall is more not less social stuff.

Think about how many social networking sites have come and gone, yet Facebook is still a massive audience. And this isn’t a new trend: I remember dead BBS, dead Geocities pages, and dead email lists. But online discussion, personal Web pages, and email all carry on more robust than ever. Perhaps robust because of these early experiments that failed.

While many are talking about the hype of the shiny new thing, there’s a group of people working largely behind the scenes to create, learn, improve and create again. In the corporate environment, dead communities come in no small part from the lack of investment in anything past the launch. We’ve seen examples of simple, ugly sites generating large audiences and revenue (hello, Craigslist!) while impressive tech fails to bring in much attention at all (new Friendster, I’m looking at you!).

If community is about building relationships, we can learn a lot about community building by considering how we find, build, and support our personal relationships.

  • We date many more people than we marry. (i.e. There’s bound to be plenty of failures in our quest to create something grand)
  • If we blow a month’s salary on the first date, there’s not chance we’ll be able to afford the second date (i.e. If you’re budget, time, and energy are solely focused on the launch, what happens after you launch when the real work begins?)
  • The backbone of a quality relationship is intimacy, and intimacy takes time and is difficult to get right (i.e. Expecting overwhelming success withing days or weeks or even years after launch is ridiculous)
  • Outsourcing intimacy is call prostitution. (i.e. Saying to your agency “we give you a check, you give us an effective community is an unhealthy approach)

Honestly, I’m not really worried about the stage of the game we’re at right now. We’ve gotten through the “so that’s what the kids are doing” reaction, and now we’re onto the “how can we use this in our business” reaction. Dead communities are a sign of experimentation and experimentation leads to learning. Sure, some execs might be turned off by social projects that don’t work and pull the budgets for future development. But we’ve also passed the tipping point where that type of reaction means much for the long term. Businesses are all having to deal with customer expectations built daily based on what other businesses, inside and outside our own industries are doing. When my cable company is responding to my rants on Twitter, I start asking why my favorite shoe company (Nike) isn’t doing the same.

We’re in a fantastic place and we’re moving into a fantastic path towards the future. Failure is all part of the process as long as we’re learning from our mistakes and paying attention to the context those mistakes are taking place in.

UPDATE: Sam weighs in on this topic!


  • Those are some great thoughts Jake. The analogy of the relationship is great. I agree with your views on what makes certain things "robust" on the web.

    And this... "When my cable company is responding to my rants on Twitter, I start asking why my favorite shoe company (Nike) isn’t doing the same"

    is brilliantly true.

    Maybe the fact that cable/telecom/service companies have such a bad rep for customer service has allowed them to quickly take charge with social media. Maybe in the future these will be the companies that we will admire instead of mock.

    Great thoughts.

    Greetings from socialnerdia(dot)com
  • Jake,
    you raise interesting points in this article about the many failed and dead communities. It is similar to the "blog litter" of a few years ago where there were so many started blogs but few survived the perils of committed focus and therefore many abandoned blogs were to be found.

    One of the main reasons for empty or failed communities in my opinion is that the current emphasis of social media is on starting communities - finding vendors, marketing the communities and getting members, but there is too little attention on the hard work - which is member engagement and keeping members involved, offering a steady drum beat of relevant content, and evolving the community over time to reflect member needs. Too often organizations believe the mission to create a community ends when the community goes live, and doesn't understand that the hard work and strategy is just beginning upon launch.

    Another issue that tends to contribute to failed communities is that they fail to measure the right metrics and outcomes so few know what successes to celebrate or when it is critical to change course to meet a new need or direction that stems from the community footprint.

    It is so important to create an engagement strategy that maps out the goals, plans and tactics for remaining close to the members' needs. That coupled with a deep understanding and the community mission is what can prevent community failure or revive a floundering community project - which can often be successfully done!
  • IMO,There are a lot of ham-handed social media mistakes caused by lack of strategy and. lack of basic understanding of social media. If companies listened longer and better, and were willing to actually implement change when it was needed, less communities would fail.
  • Dead communities - like dead blogs - are just a sign of one thing. Low cost of entry. Easy to get started, much harder to do anything useful - like add value.

    In the community space, people go where people are - so that there are many entrants and only a few winners.

    Most brands would be MUCH better off figuring out what (existing) communities they could contribute to and support rather than going off and building their own communities. As a rule, people just don't care about brands that much. (There are exceptions.)

    More here: http://tinyurl.com/cyv4ns

    TO'B
  • I think you're both right and wrong about brands. Certainly there brands that people adore (Apple, Nike, etc.), and there are brands people hate, and there are even brands people respect but don't pay much attention to.

    But blogs, and really any official social channel run by the brand can also be about things like crisis management (by having the channel in place BEFORE the crisis), etc.

    Your core point is absolutely correct that the best case scenario is to see brands skip their own tools and go into the existing social channels first. I advocate that philosophy and strategy on a daily basis.

    But I also know that as we get deeper into the social space, more brands who don't immediately get on board with that philosophy but want to play in the space can do some fun, helpful, even quality social activities on their own official channels.

    All about the full picture and a long term strategy.
  • Good story is central to building good community! Online or next door - start by telling your story or better yet, asking your neighbor about THEIR story!

    http://johnlynnerpeterson.com/gallery/6050053_S...

    Change HAPPENS! We have other models to help tell stories using the mantra - Produce Once, Publish EVERYWHERE!

    http://johnlynnerpeterson.com/gallery/8478134_m...

    Good stories inspire action!
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