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Follow-up: Hiring a community manager

January 18th, 2008 | 7 Comments | Posted in askcommunityguy, Building Community

Earlier this week as part of the Ask the Community Guy feature, I attempted to answer the question “How do you hire a community manager?“. The level of response to this, both publicly and privately, continues to surprise me. Clearly people are looking for smart community people, and hopefully we look back on 2008 as the year community management because “standard”.

There were several great comments in the original post and I wanted to highlight a few things from there. Dave starts us off with this gem:

“The personality she presents online was in-line with the personality of our company. The personality/chemistry mix being paramount, we figure her natural personality is the intrinsic un-trainable aspect and the rest is trainable items she can learn. “

A strong personality match to both the community culture and the company cultures. This is a person that has to float easily between both worlds. Depending on the candidate and depending on the industry, you can often get away with bringing someone up to speed on the product once they’re hired, but as Dave points out, you can’t train personality.

Rebecca points out issues involved with bringing in someone from within the existing community:

“I’d be very cautious about hiring from within the Community. My experience is that a great volunteer/active Community member is not alway happy getting paid for their interest and passion, skill set or not. However, I have hired fabulous people from within a Community and it’s worked out quite well. But over the years, those folks have been the exception and not the norm.”

It’s absolutely true that great community members and community leaders don’t necessarily transition well to a full-time gig. It’s one thing to do something for fun, it’s quite another to be doing that fun thing 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week. Fun can get old real quick. Turning a hobby into a job can also change the interest level that made that community member look like a good candidate in the first place. I will say, however, that finding a great candidate with an eye for business, and experience in the existing community can be a huge win. (Hell, that’s how I got started … I was plucked from the adult LEGO community) But like Rebecca’s saying, tread lightly and don’t spend excessive time trying to make it work.

Before you actually start to engage an existing community member to potentially hire them, be sure to consider the impact on the larger community. Are you creating community drama by selecting one person vs. another? Are you poaching an important community leader who’s change of position could lead to a decline in community activity?

Rebecca also talks about the time needed for someone to develop into a successful community manager:

“People management skills can’t be hurried and are rarely intuitive or innate. They come with time on the job (more than 6 months, and usually more than 2 years, imo).”

This is a crucial, foundational concept in community development – it doesn’t happen overnight. It tends not to start with “big programs”, but instead small bits of communication and interaction that lead, over time, to something bigger. Companies tend to get scared with you start talking about timelines that extend beyond the current fiscal year, but that’s what it takes more often than not. That doesn’t mean that you can’t or won’t start seeing an impact, it just means that if your company is going to start down this path, prepare for a long haul. As my dad always used to tell me: “If you’re going to do it, do it right even if it takes more time.”

Mike touches on splitting the job, and non-traditional workers:

“What we’ve found is that there is a HUGE untapped market in people who have left the workforce for one reason or another and want to return. We usually pair up teams from multiple groups (former stay at home moms with early retired folks) to job share. The idea that you need a single person isn’t always the best way to approach the market. Job sharing is a very effective way to meet your community needs while also meeting your community’s needs.”

I think this suggest has some value with the right flavor of “community manager” position. If you’re looking for someone to help facilitate and/or moderate a specific community platform, then certainly division of labor with people who are absolutely qualified but likely cheaper is a very smart way to go. (eModeration does this type of work wonderfully)

If, however, you’re looking for a Business Strategist/Community Manager type, I’d strongly disagree that this role could be divided up amongst two part-timers. (I don’t think that’s what Mike was going for, just extrapolating) There needs to be a full-time driver to the community efforts to help listen, connect inside the organization and provide some level of ongoing “warmth”, so to speak.

That said, there’s a metric ton to be said about having more than one voice and more than one face to the community…. this helps avoid burnout, divide up work in a 24/7/365 type job, and ensures you pass The Bus Test. Just make sure that there’s a coach for that team. Too many quarterbacks on the field…. or something like that.

ASK: How do I hire a community manager?

January 13th, 2008 | 25 Comments | Posted in askcommunityguy

(This is part of Ask the Community Guy, an ongoing series of questions posed by readers for Jake, the Community Guy)

If you’re interested in more information about hiring or becoming a community manager, check out this collection of entries where I cover the topic in further detail.


Questionvia …well… many people over the years How do I hire a community manager? Where do I post job openings?

Answer:
These days, that’s the 10 million dollar question! The reason I created the Community Guy Jobs Board is that I had regular requests from people for help finding community minds.

The problem with filling community positions at the moment is that there’s not a huge talent pool to pick from. That’s not to say that there’s not people smart enough to do the work, just that there’s not enough of them to go around. There’s not the same level of “open” talent swirling around the industry that many other positions/roles might have. Looking for a project manager? Lots of those. Community managers, not so much.

Here’s a few ideas on how to address this issue.

Hire young then teach
This is pretty standard stuff – find someone hungry to learn and teach the hell out of them. Look for someone with bad ass communication skills, a crazy hunger to learn, and an existing knowledge of online community activities.

With community work, this is tough unless there’s an existing community team that they can learn from. Otherwise, I’d strong suggest that you hire a consultant (me or someone like me) to act as a “trainer”. Even then, it’s going to be tough, and you’ll have to cut them some slack while they learn.

Hit the circuit
Community people like to well… commune. Between Twitter, Social Media Club, LinkedIn, blogs, podcasts, and conferences, there’s tons of opportunity to meet community people. When a talent pool is small and the demand is high, poaching is in order. Get out of the office, skip the job boards, get out into the world and start meeting people. Use community to find community people.

Pull a member of the existing community
Often the best talent pool is not with “community experts”, it’s within the existing community. Reaching out to existing community members and community leaders can help you find quality candidates. (Or through those folks, at least introductions to other members within the community) Even if the candidate lacks various business skills you might be looking for, this is very often a better choice than the other choices. Because they come from the community, the community often cuts them more slack through the learning process.

Hire a recruiter
I know a lot of companies don’t like to hire recruiters thinking they’re too expensive, but again, small talent pool and tons of demand. You’re going to have to spend the money somewhere!

Look outside your industry
Smart community people should, theoretically, be able learn an industry relatively quickly. Sure, if you can find a talented community person within your industry, great! But if it were that easy, you wouldn’t be reading this.

Understanding community is understanding human nature, sociology, and group dynamics. How specialized is your industry, really? Chances are, if you find the right profile, industry knowledge is less important. Certainly a stay-at-home moms community may benefit from a mother, or at least a woman as the community manager. But does she need to have professional experience in your industry? Not if she’s a sharp community mind.

Want to know more about what’s involved in the community manager role? Check out Jeremiah’s Four Tenets of the Community Manager.

UPDATE: The discussion continues!

UPDATE 2: Great article about 12 tips for hiring a community manager.


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ASK: Common mistakes with starting communities

(This is part of Ask the Community Guy, an ongoing series of questions posed by readers for Jake, the Community Guy)

Question – via Bill Johnston from ForumOne:
What are the 3 biggest mistakes you have seen teams make when starting on a community building/engagement project.

Answer: Thanks, Bill. Great question.

  • Rushing In: Before you jump into a community forum, introduce yourself a blogger, or start a corporate twitter account, do your research. Learn the community culture. You wouldn’t jump head first into a lake without knowing how deep it was, right?
  • Pushing an agenda: Interacting with a community isn’t a military mission or a marketing campaign, so don’t treat it like one. This interaction is kin to a real world relationship, so think about what you’d do if you were dating someone. Would you show up to a blind date with an engagement ring? Probably not, so when you introduce yourself or your company to a community group, take it slow. It might take a bit longer than you expect but the results will be much, much better.
  • Lack of follow-up: The best way to prove that you’re serious about creating an honest, long-term relationship is to close the loop. When people ask you questions, get them answers. When they ask you to fix some aspect of your product, either fix it or tell them why you can’t. “Maybe” is the enemy of a long-term relationship, and “No” isn’t a dirty word.

The bigger point here is that the best way to “start on a community building/engagement project” is to approach it instead as “building a relationship”. We all know how to build relationships, we do it every day of our lives with our spouses, brothers, mothers, co-workers, and friends. Apply those learnings to your community engagement and you increase your odds of success tenfold.


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